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when the skimmers send their numbers back to whomever they in turn then want to make counterfeit credit cards they want to then take your number and get it onto a credit card a lot of time so this was a this was a group out of the Bronx New York there happened to be some people from Dominican Republic that's what their background is they tend to be very involved in this credit card fraud now in the industry we have a term for a counterfeit card that means it's something that you made from scratch you had to be like a graphic artist and know how to put the emblem on how to put a magstripe on and stuff there's another thing it's called an altered credit card where they would somehow take this number and maybe in the old days used to be able to microwave it a little bit of water press it down and then reimburse it with the stolen number that was called an altered credit card but all these here are really counterfeit they're made from scratch so for example what this group was doing on here was these rules literally you know made why compromise ourselves with traveling with false documents because now you have to have a fake ID matched up with these this group says you know what real travel under our own names and that's what they did so they came here with all of these counterfeit cards but when they added the name whoever put the made the car form they just use their own name so they can use their own ID this device took just the encoder that I talked about before now once you re encode it with this device you know you can do anything you want to take they can't know this is what they call white plastic it's just a white stock card you know and once you put whatever you want to information on there then you're all set I mean so realistically but criminals know you want to hold onto these because law enforcement is safer what is this but if I just manufacture a rap you look at counterfeit one then it would pass a test right there on the road if I do get stopped yeah there's just credit cards whereas if I got stopped with something like this I think law enforcement become suspicious of why you have these