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it's over Joe I've had it I refuse to put my lawyer contacted me usual Oh do Oh God if you're there help me you hello we're calling in your neighborhood to tell people that the Bible has solutions for the problems in the world today you know we have divorce broken homes and sorrow all around us but God has promised us a wonderful new world in which we will all be happy if you have a few moments we'd like to step in and demonstrate our free home Bible study oh yeah the Bible study is free there's no obligation yeah all right oh look a beer no thank you it's not well let's let's get acquainted I'm Leo Stern and this is Ralph James how do you do and you're Joe Joe Simpson well Joe do you have a Bible of your own yeah thanks huh oh yeah the reason it's hard for many people to understand the Bible is because of the RK he was used this modern version will make it much easier what we'll do is to read a paragraph from this book and then answer the question at the bottom of the page and then look up the scripture cited in your new Bible okay and so as you can see from Scripture in heaven Jesus was Michael the Archangel and then he became the man Jesus on earth he lived a perfect life redeemed us and after his resurrection by Jehovah God he again became Michael the Archangel in heaven oh hi Stan this is Joseph's hi Joe Glenn's eachin I've heard you're in need of a job yeah that's right all right I can put you on with my carpet cleaning crew really bit oh great okay I'll talk to you nice talking to you well I think your life's there I want to commend you on your good progress with our studies however knowing that the time is short before I mageddon you need to grow stronger in Jehovah's organization I want to enroll you in the kingdom ministry school and train you for the door-to-door work so that you'll be sure to be found in Jehovah's favor at Armageddon I just don't know if I can Leo and I know Jehovah requires this up me I know I have to work out my salvation in his organization so I'll try but I'm very nervous about it I'm going to be reading from the book of Philippians chapter 2 verses 13 through 16 for God is the one that for the sake of his good pleasure is acting within you in order for you both to will and to act keep doing all things free from hello we're calling briefly in your neighborhood to share with you a couple of articles from our latest magazines from the awake and the watchtower this one has a very interesting article it's called what is the purpose of life isn't that what everyone wants to know soon I could do presentations at the ministry school without stuttering and felt I was getting good training for going out in the field service brother Leo was a great encouragement to me and everyone was very kind and helpful cost of printing thank you would you like to make a contribution of 70 cents certainly soon the day came when brother Leo took me out doing magazine with you I was sure I wouldn't do well but the very first morning nice lady took the magazine's and brother Leo showed me how to fill out the territory card good that's it okay shortly after I attended a circuit assembly and was baptized and symbol of my dedication to Jehovah and his organization now I really was a recognized to hold his witness with Jehovah God is my father and his visible organization as my mother I really had a new family just as Leo had promised well I wrote to Brenda and I told her about my faith in Jehovah and the organization and Armageddon and everything but she's not interested she says she's moving away and taking Lisa so that I will be able to influence her well remember Joe we're family now hmm you know many times Jehovah provides us a new wife and a new family in his organization just look at sto both our former mates refused become Jehovah's Witnesses when we did now our marriages broke up over but it didn't take us long to find each other in Jehovah's organization and now we have a strong witness family did I bring my Uncle Joe hello we're calling briefly to offer you these two latest magazines this one has an interesting art look I don't need this I'm saved and I'm perfectly happy in my own religion most ministry calls were routine but a few of them stand out in my memory excuse me sir we're calling briefly in your neighborhood to share with you our latest awake magazine this is heaven it has a very interesting article thank you very much sir I was proud to be persecuted for righteousness sake and it just proved to me that we were really in the truth excuse me sir we're calling briefly would you mind if we just got left out there for you come back another time the true servant of Jehovah must be prepared to be fearless and service today we're calling briefly in your neighborhood state state state state in times like this you must remember that he who endures to the end is the one that will be saved Heavenly Father in Jesus name I want to pray for the Jehovah's Witnesses that are going door to door in my neighborhood I pray Lord that I will be able to give a good witness to them and lord I pray that they will really be able to see Jesus Christ in me and that I can show them your love good morning we're calling briefly on you and your neighbors to share with you God's promise of a righteous new work well I'm so glad you've come my name is Beverly Williams and your name is Joe Simpson and this is my friend George little one hello uh as I was saying God has promised us a wonderful Miller did you know that this promise was in the bottle oh please Salome Psalms 37 10 11 reads this way and just a little while longer and the wicked one will be no more and you will certainly give attention to his place and he will not be but the meek ones themselves will possess the earth and they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace so you can see mrs. Williams that soon all the wicked will be gone and only the meat will remain please go on revelation chapter 21 promises new heavens and a new earth and look here at verse 4 and he will wipe out every tear from their eyes and death will be no more neither will morning or outcry nor pain be anymore the former things have passed away I'd like to offer you this book you can live forever in paradise on earth along with a free home bondage study I'd be happy to take your book in a moment but I wondered if first of all I could ask both of you a question you've come to my door because you really believe you're in the true faith is this right yes we do believe we're in the only true faith because we are persecuted for our work of publishing the good news of the kingdom well you know you were so kind to share a couple of scriptures with me I wonder if I might share one scripture with you did you know that the Bible has a test as to whether or not we're in the true faith I have my Bible here and maybe you'd like to turn with me to 2nd Corinthians 13 and verse 5 test yourselves to see if you are in the faith examine yourselves or do you not recognize this about yourselves that Jesus Christ is in you unless indeed you fail the test and I'm so happy to tell you both this morning that I passed this Bible test for a Christian because I have Jesus Christ in me once several years ago when I was at a very low point in my life I fell on my knees and I asked Jesus Christ to come into my life and into my heart and he now indwells me so I'll be very happy to talk with you again maybe you'd like to come Wednesday afternoon at 4 o'clock but just a minute here my Bible doesn't say anything about Christ in you it says Christ is in union with you do you have an interlinear New Testament Joe you know one with the Greek words above and the literal English words underneath oh no I don't have one I think I can get one at the kingdom hall well why don't you get one and bring it with you when you come on Wednesday afternoon and I think when we look at the original words we'll find out that we really can have Christ in us well I bought an interlinear Bible at the kingdom hall but was surprised to find that the New World Translation had added words not in the text we were told our Bible was a very accurate word-for-word translation I wonder if I might ask you a question well of course that's what we're here for to answer your Bible questions do you believe Jesus Christ is Michael the Archangel yes Jesus Christ is Michael the Archangel and I could show you where the Bible teaches it well just one scripture that actually calls Jesus Christ Michael the Archangel it'd be just fine well there isn't actually one scripture that calls Jesus Michael but we arrived at that truth by a comparison of the scriptures well you know in Daniel 10:13 here Joel it refers to Michael is one of the chief Prince's that means he is one of several others like him I believe if Jesus Christ is unique I can see here Michael is not unique Leo what do you make of that give me a few minutes while we're waiting that Joe let's just take a look here also at Jude 9 notice here Michael the Archangel did not dare rebuke Satan tell me Joe did Jesus rebuked Satan well of course you did on many occasions is it possible then that Michael is who the Bible says he is an archangel and not Jesus Christ come on Joe we're leaving we have another appointment oh well listen I hope you'll come back next week the same time and Joe you just remember if you have the right Jesus Christ you are right for all eternity but if you have the wrong Jesus Christ then you are wrong for all eternity hey why did you lie to mrs. Williams who don't have another appointment it's best to leave when someone is not open to Jehovah's truth then why didn't we stay and show her the truth what better questions why can't we show from the Bible that Jesus is Michael I'm starting to wonder if he is we will not be going back next week she's one of those born-agains and probably has apostate literature against us come on let's go hello Ralph it's Joe uh look I was wondering if you could come with me on a call Wednesday afternoon leave does want to call on this lady again but I feel we should return one more time since we didn't tell her we wouldn't be back well she has a lot of questions all right you'll come good uh I'll see you then okay buh-bye good so Joe have you done any more research on Jesus Christ look mrs. Williams Joe knows very well who Jesus Christ is he's the son of God he's inferior to the father and he is Michael in the heavens yo you Trinitarians you make me sick with your freakish looking three-headed God the Trinity is a doctrine of Satan Jesus Christ is not God if I could prove to both of you out of the Bible that Jesus Christ is called Almighty God would you believe it you can't prove no such thing under the Bible well let's open our Bibles into Revelation chapter 1 and verse 8 and let's read it together I am the Alpha and the Omega says the Lord God who is who was and who is to come the Almighty who is this that's plain for anyone to see that's Jehovah God my Bible says Jehovah God Joe I see that you're using your interlinear bible does it say Jehovah God in the original Greek no it says Lord God you obviously believe this scripture refers to Jehovah God since your Bible has inserted that word there well it must be Jehovah God since it is Yahweh speaking well we're all agreed it's the almighty speaking so can we all agree that the almighty calls himself the Alpha and Omega here yeah let's turn over to Revelation chapter 22 and see if we can get further identification on who the Alpha and Omega is and we must always be sure to read scriptures in there context so let's pick it up in verse twelve behold I am coming quickly and my reward is with me to render to every man according to what he has done I am the Alpha and Omega the first and the last the beginning in the end blessed are those who wash their robes that they may have the right to the Tree of Life and may enter by the gates into the city outside are the dogs the sorcerers the immoral persons the murderers and the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices lying I Jesus have sent my angel to testify to you these things for the churches I am the root in the offspring of David the bright and the morning star so notice that the Alpha and Omega the speaker identifies himself as I Jesus know the speaker changes verse 12 is Jesus verse 13 is Jehovah and and the other verses are Jesus again besides according to my reasoning book here the Alpha and the Omega is is Jehovah God now there was a time we did teach it could be Jesus but this this is the newest light well although your reasoning book may teach that Jesus is not the Alpha and Omega Jesus himself says right here that he is the Alpha and Omega however could we all agree based on verse 13 that the Alpha and Omega gives himself the title the first and the last yes verse 13 clearly has the Alpha and Omega calling himself the first in the last then let's turn back to Revelation chapter 1 and see if we can get further identification on the first and the last revelation 1 verses 13 to 18 contains the vision of the Son of Man who is this that's Jesus of course right and if we read down through the vision two verses 17 and 18 we can clearly identify the first and the last look what the Apostle John says in verse 17 and when I saw my fell at his feet as a dead man and he laid his right hand upon me saying do not be afraid I am the first and the light and the living one and I was dead and behold I am alive forevermore I have the keys of death and of Hades who is this Jesus Christ you are right it is Jesus Christ and by his own words he is the Alpha and Omega the first and the last and Almighty God and it is Jesus who is speaking in Revelation 1:8 that we began with I am the Alpha and the Omega says the Lord God Jesus Christ who is who was and who is to come the Almighty who are you going to believe Joel Jesus Christ or the Watchtower publications we have to be going Joe we have another appointment excuse me uh who is this appointment with where are you going I we just we have another no look I'm sorry but I don't believe you have another appointment do you think it's right to lie to get out of a Bible discussion why don't you stay a few more minutes and let's look at other scriptures calling Jesus God I'm staying okay then let's turn over to first Timothy chapter 1 and yet for this reason I found mercy in order that in me as the foremost Jesus Christ might demonstrate his perfect patience as an example for those who would believe in him for eternal life now to the king eternal not created immortal invisible the only God be honor and glory for ever and ever amen who is this well verse 16 is Jesus and verse 17 is Jehovah if this were so this Amen here would be 1 verse sooner and in the early manuscripts there were no verse divisions this refers to Jesus Christ and calls him eternal and the only God now let's continue on the symbol Joe we've invited you to this meeting out of a concern for you we have noticed a tendency on your part to be a bit rebellious to Jehovah's organization you should not have invited brother Ralph to go with you on another call to mrs. Williams after I told you we would not be going back now brother Ralph confirms that everything she said to you was right out of Christendom we want your word now that you will never go back to her house and if you do you will face disciplinary action by this committee and possible disfellowshipping you would not want to spend the rest of the time remaining before Armageddon to be cut off from all of us with no one to speak to and facing Java's destruction sorry brothers sign Shelly spoke out of the Bible I thought we could discuss the Bible with people I will go back to our house ah while you're here could I ask your advice in another matter I'd like you to listen to this letter from my wife dear Joe since Lisa and I left you I have done my best to start a new life for myself however I have never stopped loving you although we could not seem to make a go of our marriage in the past I was almost ready to return when you sent the news that you had become a jehovah's witness and this is what you saw for your future I know I could never be one as I could not seeing raising Lisa with no Christmases no birthday celebrations and no family gatherings on holidays since Jehovah's Witnesses consider all these things wrong I was so miserable that I even prayed to God for help one Sunday I took Lisa and went to church there the pastor gave us an invitation for all those who would like to receive Jesus Christ as their personal Savior to come forward with tears in my eyes I asked God for forgiveness of my sins and asked Jesus to give me a new life Joe God has been faithful to come into my heart when I invited in there and now dwells in me Joe I just know that with Christ in our hearts and in her home we could be a happy family once more please write and tell me you've still loved me and once all together I love you Joe Lisa sends her love and most importantly jesus loves you too we're anxiously waiting for your reply love Brenda Oh brothers what should I do see I want my family back very bad Joe if she wanted a reconciliation and was willing to serve Jehovah of course we would encourage you to have her back or Joe if if she was just a worldly person but willing to let you remain a jehovah's witness without interference even then we would let you take her back Joe this will be hard for you it would have been better if you had taken a sister to be your wife in the organization Jehovah has provided you with plenty of single sisters to choose from but you never did as I never did because I love Brenda and I always prayed we'd be together get us a family scrape any more time Joe Joe you can't take a bath Joe she she's a born again like mrs. Williams so must remain loyal to Jehovah's organization she's up a devil Joe Oh Joe I tried to wait for your letter but I just felt the Lord was leading us to come Brenda I'm so confused I dedicated my life to Jehovah God I've done all the things his organization expects I've gone to five meetings a week I met quotas out in field service I always felt everything was perfectly right until just lately now I'm having my doubts the elders won't be happy with me now that you're here and then there are all those questions mrs. Williams raised don't be upset with me I sent off for some information from some people that used to be Jehovah's Witnesses but they left when they found out the leaders of the Watchtower false prophets did you know that for more than a hundred years I've been falsely prophesying the end of the world all these references are from The Watchtower publications wouldn't you be willing to check this out in the kingdom hall library maybe I should have done more investigation at the start I wish we could just talk to mrs. Williams but I hate my word I wouldn't go back to her house why can't we invite her to our house you never promised we couldn't do that Heavenly Father in Jesus name I ask you now to anoint me with your Holy Spirit for this encounter I take my authority as a believer in Jesus Christ and I bind that spirit of deception operating in Joe's life I ask you Lord to convict him of the error of his ways and welcome him into your kingdom Lord in Jesus name Amen I can no longer deny Jesus is called God in the Bible because I did what you suggested I I got a concordance and I looked up every scripture I also proved myself that there is only one true God I know Jesus cannot be a god or an extra god but I still don't understand why Jesus said in John 14 28 that the father was greater than him doesn't that make Jesus inferior as a watchtower teaches well remember Joel how we proved from the Bible that Jesus Christ is Almighty God and the only God yes and I believe the Bible is true well when dealing with the subject of Jesus Christ we have to consider two aspects one is the deity of Jesus Christ that is that he is truly God the other aspect is that he is truly man his humanity turn with me to Philippians chapter 2 and let's begin reading together in verse 5 have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus who although he existed in the form of God did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped now Jehovah's Witnesses immediately ignore the first phrase take the second one and say you see he didn't even want to be equal with God he wanted to be inferior but that's not what the scripture is saying instead of Jesus grasping after what he already had he did something else instead and picking it up in verse 7 if you follow along he did this but he emptied himself taking the form of a bondservant and being made in the likeness of men and being found in appearance as a man he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death even death on the cross so Jesus although he never ceased being in the form of God at a certain point in time and for a little while he emptied himself he humbled himself he took the form of a man and he functioned perfectly as a man to buy back what Adam had lost you know I think Colossians chapter 2 and verses 8 and 9 will clear up that wrong teaching from Jehovah's Witnesses that Jesus was only a man on earth would you like to read that Joe see to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty decision according to the elementary principles of the world rather than according to Christ for in him all the fullness of deity dwells in bodily form in him all the fullness of deity dwells in bodily form all is all full is full Christ is truly deity even in the flesh it's no wonder that acts 20:28 says that God purchased the church with his own blood Jesus I always believed that I couldn't pray to you but now I am and although I don't know all the answers I trust in you I'm asking you now to come into my life and into my heart and reveal yourself to me if I have been in a false organization please forgive me and show me the way to go to serve you thank you thank you for giving me back my wife and my daughter give me the strength to face the elders thank you for your free gift of salvation which I gladly receive amen leo well you mind if we come in no no no we've missed you at the meetings the past two weeks Jo and we're concerned about you and you haven't turned in your field service report this month I have been preparing myself for a meeting with you I've gotten back together with my wife Brenda and have been devoting every spare moment to Bible study and research into the organization where the Society's publications Jo I've shut them aside for the moment to study the Bible alone you can't understand the Bible apart from the Society's publications if you study the Bible alone you could become an apostate or worse a born-again I suspect he already is an apostate have you been reading apostate literature John I've examined photocopies of Watchtower publications showing me that they have falsely prophesied in the name of Jehovah God many times now perhaps you would like to check these out come on Ralph we're leaving you'll be hearing from the Committee on this Joel now no I don't think I will here is my official letter of disassociation from you including the reasons why not the least of which is that you deliberately misrepresented the person of Jesus Christ anew I've given my life to him and I will no longer serve your false organization don't be late for your next appointment you Oh / Jo God if you're there help me you know we have deplores broken homes and sorrow all around us God has promises a wonderful new world in which we will all be happy I want to enroll you in the kingdom ministry school training for the door-to-door work so that you'll be sure if you vomit Jehovah's favour and Armageddon I don't need this I'm saved and I'm perfectly happy in my religion I was proud to be persecuted for righteousness sake and it just proved to me that we were really in truth but remember Joe we're family now the Trinity is a doctrine of Satan Jesus Christ is not so must remain loyal to Jehovah's organization if I've been in a false organization please it's showing a way to go to serve if you study the Bible alone you can become exhausted a worse a born-again you deliberately misrepresented the birth of Jesus Christ oh no here comes sister beagle I'm so glad I caught you brothers turn I have something serious to report oh I'm sure you do sister being off I saw sister Smith at the shopping center Joe Simpson was walking toward her and said hello that apostate has no business trying to speak to us anyway I saw sister Smith actually nod her head at him oh there was even a suspicion of a smile on her face I insist you speak with her brother Stern I only report this out of loyalty to Jehovah's organization you always do sister beigel all right I'll have a word with sister Smith about how to treat disfellowshipped once she's rather new so she probably doesn't understand she's to ignore them totally come on Martha let's go um neatly Oh I've got a letter from Maryland that I want to show you Martha you know you're not to be in correspondence with our daughter she's out of Jehovah's organization and is dead to us now but Lee oh please she's just writing to say that she and Tom are expecting a baby our grandchild Lee Oh Martha this is just a test of our loyalty to Jehovah and his organization we have been strong so far we can't get soft now don't you dare write back to her or contact her in any way or you could be the next one the committee will have to deal with you could be the next one to be disfellowshipped yourself from now on return her letters unread and unopened and don't you dare write back hello I'm Beverly Williams and I'm calling in the neighborhood concerning the single mothers group home near here we're asking all those concerned with saving babies to help us out with expenses we want those young mothers and their babies to have a good future oh it's you what are you doing here upsetting my wife haven't you caused us enough trouble hello mr. stern I haven't seen you for some time since you missed our last appointment how are you I thought you might like to know that Joe Simpson and his family are doing very well I know he misses you and would like to see you again seeing Joe is out of the question he's out of Jehovah's organization thanks to you you tell him if he repents and comes back to the truth then I'll see him so then Joe leo shut the door in my face I'm sorry for that man that he's so bitter but I can't forget the look on mrs. Stern's face that woman is in some kind of crisis I have a very strong feeling that I should go back and see if I can help her out I want to apologize for upsetting her well Beverly we have both been praying for some time for the Stern's perhaps this is a Lord's timing to deal with them that's pretty good Heavenly Father we pray now for the Stern's that you anoint Bev to minister to them we come against that spirit of Watchtower deception in the name of the Lord and we ask that you help them to come free in Jesus name Amen I stopped by to apologize for upsetting you the other day was it something I said you'd better come in and I'll explain you see I received a letter from our daughter Marilyn explaining that she was expecting our first grandchild well that should make you happy not sad you don't understand you see our daughter married out of our faith and then she took a job forbidden by our organization she was just fellowshipped broke Leo's heart and mine because now we can't have anything more to do with her she's dead to us but she still tries to make contact with us and we can't speak to her that's bad enough without us baby when you came to my door and mention babies it just set me off so you can see it wasn't your fault Leo tells me that I have to stop his grieving and get on with my life but it's just so hard I can't imagine my life without my daughter in it you don't know how hard it is I can't even discuss how I feel with our lifelong friends or they might turn me in to the committee if I continue to take my daughter's calls or read her letters I could be disfellowship as well and I could lose my eternal life in the new earth Leo himself has threatened to turn me and if I don't return Marilyn's letters unread and unopened I know I cannot completely understand the depth of your unhappiness but I want to be your friend please feel free to contact me whenever you need to talk perhaps if you gave me your daughter's name and address I could write to her and pass along the news to you here's my address and phone number thank you for your concern but I'm sure Jehovah will make me strong and I have all the friends I need in the organization oh hello Beverly I was out in the service in the neighborhood but I was having trouble presenting these magazines on the happy family life it just upset me when we're so unhappy I hope you don't mind that I came to talk to you instead you see I can still count my time if you'll agree to have a Bible discussion with me of course I'll be happy to discuss the Bible with you come on in I'll make us some tea would it be all right if you showed me the scriptures your organization uses for disfellowshipping people I don't really understand your dispel o shipping practices could this be our Bible study today well we don't usually share those scriptures of the public but I do have my Bible marks as we went through this so recently first of all in each of our congregations we have a committee made up of three mature men who disciplined the people when a person sins and appears before the committee they are corrected by the committee you were given six months to give up smoking you say you had and yet you were caught smoking in your truck by an informant well two Jehovah's organization you are there for this fellowship from now on no one will speak to you for months if you don't attend all meetings and show your repentance and stop smoking you will lose your eternal life that arm again it sounds like this committee has a lot of power over your people yes depending on how serious the sin is some are disciplined privately and must prove repentance to the committee some are put on probation for a period of time if they show good attitude however if a person chooses to disregard the instructions of the committee or they are rebellious to Jehovah's organization they are expelled or disfellowshipped my daughter marilyn is an example of a rebellious one she was told not to date anyone except Jehovah's Witnesses although in her defense there's so few eligible men in our organization the young man that she dated tom he's a nice young man honest clean living but he wouldn't become a jehovah's witness no matter how nice her young man was if he was not a jehovah's witness he would be considered wrong for her yes when Marilyn married Tom she was put on probation his parents put on a small wedding but we couldn't go because they rented a church hall also Tom serves in the military which is forbidden by our organization our daughter lives on a military base and she went to work on the base at that point she was disfellowship for her outright rebellion now she's dead to us well this is all very interesting but could you give me Bible reasons for this disfellowshipping practice we're in the Bible two three men sit in judgment over the congregation well there's no actual scripture about three men forming a committee that I know of but well the bible does speak of elders guiding the believers and disciplining them then I guess we'll have to examine those scriptures and see how the Bible elders acted and see if your committee acts the same way I guess so but first let me show you the scriptures we use for disowning disfellowship ones like Maryland turn with me you will to first Corinthians 5:11 I'm writing to you to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolatry vile or a drunkard or an extortioner now verse 13 plainly says remove the wicked man from among yourselves I'm sorry Martha but I don't see the connection to Maryland's being disfellowshipped 1st Corinthians chapter 5 deals with a specific problem according to verse 1 a man was committing adultery with his father's wife the congregation according to verse 2 was tolerating this sin Paul said to quit mixing in company with a believer that is a fornicator is Marilyn a fornicator no she wasn't found guilty of fornication or sexual relations outside of marriage but of only marrying out of her faith and taking a job forbidden by our organization I agree that marrying out of one's faith may not be a good idea I mean her job may not suit your organization but where is this a disfellowshipping offense I don't know but I'll go home and do further research on that also could you really consider Marilyn guilty of one of the other things mentioned here is she really covetous and idolaters revealer a drunkard or a swindler no of course not she's a good person well since this scripture doesn't apply to Marilyn do you have another well see we also use 2nd Thessalonians 3:14 um if anyone is not obedient to our word through this letter keep this 1 mark stop associating with him that he might become ashamed but Martha this chapter is dealing with evil and perverse men according to verse 2 verse 6 he refers to men who lead an unruly life now is Marilyn perverse and evil does she lead an unruly life of course not she's a good wife then why are you all treating her so badly the very next verse verse 15 years says and yet do not regard him as an end me but admonish him as a brother Marilyn is being treated as an enemy and how can you admonish her as a sister when you're not allowed to speak to her I I don't know them all I know is that I can't speak to her on orders of the committee well I'm sorry Martha but I just can't see from the Bible why Marilyn was disfellowshipped also military people were Christians in Christ State what about Cornelius he was a military man and greatly blessed of God um I was I have to go to another goodbye mine look Leo we have been at this for hours we've gone over all the Scriptures the society uses for disfellowshipping and you haven't convinced me at all that Marilyn should have been disfellowshipped and you know it I'm going to deck we've noticed a tendency on your part to be a bit rebellious to Jehovah's organization you should not have invited brother Ralph to go with you on another call and missus Williams after I told you we would not be going back now brother Ralph confirms that everything she said to you was right out of Chris Leela we want your word now that you will never go back to her house if you do you will face disciplinary action by this committee and possible disfellowshipping you would not want to spend the rest of the time remaining before Armageddon to be cut off from all of us with no one to speak to and facing Javas destruction you Rob reproach under Goebbels organization you have kept your pregnancy a secret now for three months from the committee this shows no attitude of repentance on your part the concerned sister turn you in we have therefore disfellowshipped you we're fully realize that you have no money in that your married boyfriend now wants nothing more to do with you please please help me I don't turn - we suggest you go to the welfare office and have them look after you if you accept your discipline and show your repentance then perhaps you can be reinstated sometime in the future and depending on your conduct you better hope that Armageddon doesn't come in the meantime alright let's review our plan one more time we must act tonight since your baby will receive a court-ordered blood transfusion tomorrow and become a ward of the court now are we prepared to obey Jehovah rather than the law yes all right a phone call will be made to the nurse in the nursery in exactly two minutes she will leave the nursery unattended since she has to go to the station in order to receive the call a faithful sister will keep around the phone just as long as possible sister Vigo your to keep both nurses occupied at the station while brother and sister small go to the nursery take the baby and leave you can count on me brother Stern I'll keep them talking for plenty of time to say that poor baby them loyalty to Jehovah's organization is the most important thing I am prepared to go to jail if need be to stop transmission oh never mind the dramatic sister biggle just get on with the job brother and sister small there'll be no time for hesitancy once you get inside the nursery I'm going to get the band now I'll meet you at the appointed spot with a motor running and the door open may Jehovah help us all oh I just arrived and I would like to see my sister immediately please meet her as they called me last night and tell me she would probably have to have an emergency caesarean section I believe it was I'm just so worried I wonder if I might go to her room right away could I do that please she was in a great deal of pain and I've given all night long together through awful weather and dreadful crap if any more I can help you it won't be long now and we'll all be hidden in the sisters farm in the next jurisdiction we've also got some other safe locations to take you to just in case the need a right brother start brother stern our baby he's hardly breathing those back you've got to help us register get us to a hospital fast we've come too far to go back I'll take you to emergency in the next town oh god what have we done to our baby Oh hurry ah Martha last night was probably the worst night I have ever spent in my life I have been going over and over the disfellowshipping procedures and rules of the society trying to line them up with Scripture and I admit that I'm ashamed for some of the other things I've done to I'm ashamed of myself to Leo for the way I've treated the disfellowshipped ones the smalls baby nearly died last year he still has medical problems because we took him out of the hospital I've never questioned the society before but now marilyn is involved I've tried to be strong to encourage you Martha but now I'm I'm worried about Marilyn have we been treating her wrongly have we made a big mistake Oh Leo it's so good to see you softening in your heart to her this is probably a good time to confess that Beverly Williams has been writing to Marilyn and passing the news on to me now Lea I couldn't have taken it otherwise Bev Williams has been a good friend to me and she does know her Bible woman's done nothing but annoy me first she cooked Joe Simpson away from me and now you're involved with her did she really take Joe away from you or just away from the organization didn't you cut yourself off from Joe he still misses you according to Bev hmm leo I want this matter settled one way or another either prove Bev waives wrong from the Bible or I will continue to be her friend all right you win this time tell her that we're coming over for a Bible discussion but I get to pick the subject this time I could never get the best of her on that discussion that Joe and I had with her about Jesus being the Archangel Michael I could never prove that Jesus was Michael firmly from Scripture but this time we'll discuss our earthly hope I'm on real good ground on that one she won't be so sure she's going to heaven when I get through with her I want to prove to you from Scripture business Williams that you should be trusting in an earthly hope not a heavenly one now actually only a small number of chosen ones and anointed ones go to heaven and the rest of mankind can only hope to live on the earth now the Bible limits the number of those who go to heaven to 144,000 the rest of the believers the great crowd remain on claims earth turn with me to Revelation chapter 7 and I'll show uh just a moment before we begin reading this chapter of Revelation could I have a decision from you both are we going to read this portion of Scripture with the understanding that it is figurative that is it says one thing but actually has another meaning or are we going to believe it literally that is it means exactly what it says and nothing else what well I assume you're going to begin by reading verse 4 which says and I heard the number of those who were sealed 144,000 sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel so how about it folks figurative or literal the good oh uh no I meant literal I can see your problem both of you you see your organization has taken this one simple sentence from the Bible and given the number 144,000 a literal interpretation well it is literal I mean 144,000 means exactly what it says 144,000 but then it has turned right around and given the phrase sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel a figurative interpretation saying it's not really Israel but spiritual Israel or anointed Jehovah's Witnesses it is figurative annointed Jehovah's Witnesses are the spiritual Israelites referred to here no leo that is not possible either we interpret this scripture figuratively in which case a large number of persons symbolized by the figure 144,000 who are not actually physical Israelites but spiritual ones are sealed or 144,000 actual Israelites by nationality are sealed now which is it well I want a little more time to study this and then I'll come back to you with the answer let's get on to the subject of the great crowd that will stay on earth now turn with me to verse 9 after these things I saw and looked a great crowd which no man was able to number out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues standing before the throne and before the lamb notice this great crowd comes out of all nations this great crowd is the modern-day Jehovah's Witnesses who will remain on the Paradise earth well that's an interesting interpretation Leo so you locate this great crowd on earth do you yes of course well the scripture does give their location doesn't it it says there before the throne and before the lamb right right well if we just continue reading on in the same chapter we find that this is a heavenly scene and not an earthly one at all notice in verse 11 the angels were standing around the throne and along with others fell on their faces before the throne before the throne can also mean the earth the earth is Jehovah's footstool that's an interesting point however if I understand your doctrine correctly you place the hundred and forty-four thousand in heaven and the great crowd on earth right right well then let's look at the other scripture that mentions the hundred and forty-four thousand Revelation chapter 14 and first one again mentions the hundred and forty-four thousand verse three says they're singing a new song where is this song being sung it says the hundred and forty-four thousand are before the throne Leo that's the same place as the great crowd that's right Martha all scriptures referring to both the hundred and forty-four thousand and the great crowd placed them in the same location before the throne well I I want to do some further research on this the organization has all the answers I know you believe that Leo but the Bible should be our final authority in all doctrinal matters even the organization has to line up with the Bible you see Leo and Martha it isn't where you'll spend eternity that's so important but it's who you'll spend eternity with turn with me to John chapter 14 and verse 3 here Jesus promises his followers and if I go and prepare a place for you I will come again and receive you to myself that where I am there you may be also down in verse 6 jesus said I am the way the truth and the life now frankly it disturbs me to hear you and Martha refer to your organization as the truth when it is Jesus Christ himself who is the truth Leo she's right we do call our organization the truth more than we call Jesus the truth you see it is Jesus who has prepared a place for us and wherever he is we can be also if he is in heaven I'll be in heaven if he is on the new earth I'll be on the new earth if he is in the air then I'll meet him in the air Jesus has gone to prepare a place for me but you know the place is not important being with Jesus is important I want to thank you for taking the time this week to drop off your booklet explaining Jehovah's Witnesses stand against taking blood transfusions if I understand it correctly Jehovah's Witnesses take all the Scriptures referring to the eating of blood and regard the transfusing of blood the same is this right mm-hmm that's right we regard the transfusing of blood the same as eating of blood Jehovah God forbids us to use blood or blood products in any way we are to abstain from blood as the Bible tells us what is the penalty if a jehovah's witness should use blood in some way it's a very serious offense use of blood results in one being cut off from Jehovah's organization not only as the user disfellowshipped he loses his eternal life I see your organization leans very heavily on Leviticus chapter 17 for its stand first 14 seems to be a favorite so let's read that together for as for the life of all flesh it's blood is identified with its life therefore I said to the sons of Israel you are not to eat the blood of any flesh for the life of all flesh is its blood whoever eats it shall be cut off yes Bev that's just the point you see eating blood and transfusing blood are the same and so if you eat blood you are cut off and it says it right there in the Bible but what does cut off mean what means loss of eternal life does it mean loss of eternal life as your organization teaches or something much less severe let's read on to verses 15 and 16 and when any person eats an animal which dies or is torn by beasts whether he is a native or inalienable nning then you'll become clean are you telling me that the penalty for eating blood is just to bathe and wash your clothes offenders were only cut off until sundown that's right Martha the law meeting blood applied only to the natural Israelites and those living with them if a person ate blood it invoked only the mildest penalty under the law nowhere in Scripture can I find the harsh judgments handed out by your organization I have to look into this matter further I mean I haven't spoken to a childhood friend for 10 years because she took a blood transfusion during an operation I I believed all these years that she committed the most serious of sins against Jehovah well actually I have another reason for bringing this to your attention I have another letter here from Maryland in which she says there may be some blood and compatibilities with the new baby now don't worry no transfusions may be required but I want you in Leo to be prepared just in case please take this letter now and also my notes in which I go through this booklet point by point and bring out other scriptures you might like to look at well so Leo and I spent many hours going over the scriptures on blood with the societies literature in your notes and we agree that although Jehovah God does not like his people eating blood neither did he punish them excessively for doing so but he forgave them I'm so pleased to hear you say that Martha also we agree with you that the New Testament references on abstaining from blood had to do with murder or eating foods strangled and offered to idols we have just never read scriptures along without the society's interpretations well the Bible can be understood by itself and I'm happy you and Leo we're finding that out for yourself we're still worried sick over Marilyn and they expect a baby but at least now we no longer view the blood issue with the same severity we hope that neither one of them will require a blood transfusion but if they need it to save their lives at least now we realize that God can forgive them by the way Leo and I still feel that Jehovah God must deal with his people through some organization and although ours may be far from perfect it's still better than anything else around Leo wants some proof from you as to why you feel our organization cannot be used by God could you come over Wednesday evening and talk this over with us I'm so pleased you invited me over I'm loaded down with photocopies which I plan to leave with you so you can just examine the match your leisure we don't need any apostate literature from you Leo all our photocopies of your society's own literature in which they have falsely prophesied the end of the world for over 100 years the watchtower society claims in its literature that they are the prophet of God and even that all of their followers are prophets of God because they proclaim the same message that's right leo remember in our Watchtower study it said that we were prophets too because we proclaim the message of the society when you examine the Society's record of prophecies please keep in mind this scripture in Deuteronomy 18:20 - when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord if the thing does not come about or come true that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken the prophet has spoken it presumptuously you shall not be afraid of him in fact in the days of Israel false prophets whose predictions did not come to pass were taken outside the city gates and rocked to sleep these photocopies have just got to be phonies I'm going to the kingdom hall library and check these out what now yes are you coming yes bring a flashlight I don't want anyone to catch us so I'm not turning the lights on oh here's one I want to check according to this hate literature as late as 1929 the Society was still saying Christ was present since 1874 this book prophecy is copyrighted 1929 at least that's correct we both know the correct date is 1914 the society couldn't be wrong about something as important as that I mean all our hopes for the new earth are based on 1914 second presence of Christ began in 1940 wait here's the page number 65 it says the scriptural proof is that the second presence of the Lord Jesus Christ began in 1874 ad okay look here's the time as at hand yeah okay you can see the society really did see that the Battle of Armageddon had already started and would end in 1950 oh I just can't believe that one that the society would be that far out page 101 Leo the Battle of a great day of God Almighty which will end in eighteen nineteen fifteen with the complete overthrow of Earth's present rulership is already commenced oh I've seen enough Martha these photocopies are real I feel sick let's go home wait I hear something now Morley are not out it's late but royalty to Jehovah's organization compelled me to pound on your door until you won't have to check this out quick hide behind the door look sister biggle there's no sign of a break-in who would want anything we've got in the basement of kingdom hall anyway how can you say such a thing Jehovah's proofs are right down here in this library our precious old books are unsafe they wouldn't be here at all if you elders had sent them into headquarters as you were supposed to at least Bethel headquarters wants to protect our books from from bees and fire real danger right now if they were thieves here now I'm sure your voices scared them away besides my nephew down in Bethel headquarters told me that they destroyed all the old books sent to them often wondered why I think we know why yeah will you let me get back to my bed if I show you that no one is here well everything seems to be in order I wonder what those lights were violently one cannot be too careful in protecting Jehovah's organization well sister biggle Jehovah's organization will be safe now until morning thanks to you oh what a terrible night first all of those false prophecies and then sister biggle how much can one man endure in one night Leo I have something else to confess to you several months ago I received this in the mail it's a letter saying that a Christian is praying for us and sent our names into this ministry that should have gone to the committee Leo we were invited to check out several things about our religion I knew you'd be furious but I did read it it said that our dating system was an error Leo I couldn't believe that Jerusalem didn't fall in in 607 BCE as a society has always taught us of course Jerusalem fell in 607 what do you mean Leo I went to the library and I spent all day looking two encyclopedias and history books with the help of the librarian Leo not one historian not one agreed with the date that's a society said of 6:07 Leo if 6:07 is wrong the 1914 is wrong and our hope being the last generation is also wrong leo we weren't supposed to discuss 1975 but we both know the society set that date and it failed to Martha we've lived our whole lives for the watchtower society we never intended to have children just to please the society having Marilyn was an accident thank God we have her many of the older ones don't have any family and now it's too late Leo you're a natural leader for years I've watched you take menial jobs with low wages just so you could make time to serve Jehovah's organization yes now I have no pension plan or medical coverage just because I believe that Armageddon was going to be here any moment and don't forget what little savings we had we gave to the society in 1975 thank God we didn't remortgage our homeless so many did Martha I can no longer believe that we are in God's organization whatever will we do we ended the most horrible night of our lives agreeing that we have been serving a false organization we have never been in such despair at our whole lives and yet we still love God and want to serve Him I'm so happy to hear you say that Martha you know some people become disenchanted with the organization and they turn completely away from God others drift in a no-man's land for many years and they miss the greatest chance for happiness that they could have you mean there could be happiness in our lives after all these wasted years of course there are even a couple of scriptures that describe you and Leo I believe look here in John chapter five and verses 39 and 40 you search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life and it is these that bear witness of me and you are unwilling to come to me that you might have life Martha you and Leo have spent your whole life searching the Scriptures but missing a personal relationship with Christ but Bev in my Bible in John 17:3 it says this means everlasting life their taking in knowledge of you the only true God and of the one whom you sent forth Jesus Christ I mean that's why we spend so much time taking in knowledge it means our eternal life I'm sorry to tell you this Martha but that Scripture has been altered by your translation committee the words taking in knowledge do not even appear in the original Greek text you can check this out in your kingdom interlinear translation ah you can be sure I will then checking out a lot of things these days here's what that scripture really says listen closely and this is eternal life that they may know thee the only true God and Jesus Christ whom thou has sent that talks about knowing God not taking in knowledge you're right Martha you see eternal life comes from knowing God not taking in knowledge you just can't work your way to God not by meeting attendance service or study Ephesians chapter 2 verses 8 and 9 puts it this way for by grace you have been saved through faith and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God not as a result of works that no man should boast I have been so busy all these years trying to do works and prove my faithfulness to Jehovah Martha you just don't need any more works but you do need this free gift of God you need to know God why don't you pray and ask God to come into your life right now to help you through this difficult time you know I do need this gift from God then will you take my hand while I pray of course I will dear God you know I love you and I've served you the best of my understanding all my life and now my life is upside down I've been in a false organization and I ask you to forgive me I want to know Jesus and I wanted ternal life oh Jesus please help me come into my life and be my Savior help me to sort out truth from error I know now that I'm saved by grace and that alone thank you amen is it okay if I give my new sister in Christ a big welcome hug into the family of God Oh Joely oh hello uh I'm happy to see you again I've really missed you a good show uh I've got to talk to you but uh where we can't be seen can you drive outside town where we used to meet for coffee so we should talk in private yeah yeah surely oh uh I'm on a break um do you know I've even got a thermos of coffee in the car yeah uh don't leave right now good thank you okay hello there apostate Oh sister big ol uh how long have you been here I just got here that apostate Joe Simpson tried to speak to me on the way into the store did he try to talk to you too brother sir I uh I can't stop now I I'm I've got another appointment there's no Leo Nicodemus like yourself was a very devout religious man a leader among his people yet notice in verse three that Jesus told him that unless he was born again he wouldn't see the kingdom of God again in verse 5 jesus told him that without this experience he wouldn't enter into the kingdom of God and verse 7 sums it all up by saying did not marvel that I said to you you must be born again but Joe I've been pinning all my hopes on the new earth Leo do you or do you not want to spend eternity in the kingdom of God whether in heaven or on earth yes I want to spend eternity in God's King then Jesus said you must be born again never mind the location leo the location isn't important being born again that's what's important but isn't that in the experience for the anointed ones the 144,000 nowhere in the bible does it limit the number that can have this experience look here in John 1:12 13 it says but as many as received him notice Leo as many as received him not just 144,000 to them he gave the right to become children of God even to those who believed in his name who were born not of blood nor the will of the flesh nor the will of man but of God well it does say as many as received him leo even in my worst time of confusing about Jesus I remember how I got cried out to him and I received him as my savior and I well remember I didn't have all the answers only questions and yet I trusted in him not some organization I gotta get back to work now but uh I know you love Jesus and we want to trust him also please keep in touch I'll be praying for your Martha thank you Joe dear God I don't know how to pray this kind of Prayer Jehovah through Jesus please help me I have been like Nicodemus harsh and righteous and yet I feel empty dear Jesus I want to know you like Joe does like a friend please forgive me for all the years I've spent serving a false organization believing I was serving you I want to be born again and live in God's kingdom I want to be with you God either in heaven or on earth wherever I receive you as my savior please come into my heart as my mind and help me to serve you from now on amen so where have you been Leo Oh around were you up to where did you go oh what's the best place I am ran into Joe we had a little talk Bev and I had a little talk too I asked Christ to be my Savior to daily when I feel so much better I did the same thing and I feel better too okay I think we've made some progress now in your disassociation letter are these two points you and Martha want to cover hmm yes this is good number one all the lives of society has told over the years to cover up their false prophecies and doctrinal changes number two the unscriptural position they take over disfellowshipping and the unkindness they show their victim I can testify to that firsthand number three their false interpretation of unrelated scriptures regarding blood transfusions resulting in the loss of many lives number four they're keeping their members from a personal relationship with Jesus Christ by inserting the organization as their media you just can't serve Jesus and the organization you know I'm also going to add in number five Jill since I've had a chance to go over their instructions to elders assisting child custody cases you know it amounts to teaching witness children to lie under oath I can't leave without exposing their tactics Joe I did Martha and I ever believed that this organization was of God I can imagine how you feel there I gave a year or so to this society you and Martha gave most your lives the organization keeps you so busy you don't have time to think for yourself we've been on a treadmill of constant activity for a year I'm going to put a lot more effort into my disassociation letter Joe Oh yours was good but you didn't provide enough photocopies mine is going to be the thickest they have ever seen then when it's through Martha and I are going to go to Maryland's where we can be there just in time for the birth of our grandchild I couldn't be happier for all of you Paul this is an answer to my prayers I hadn't delivered our letter of disassociation from the watchtower society oh you did and after that Martha and I went out for a big celebration dinner yeah we're so thankful we came out together and still have each other and we know that the Lord will give us new friends to make up for the ones we know go to forsake us yeah by the way I gave a copy of the letter to sister beagle oh she likes to be the first one to spread the hot gossip so we thank God for you Bev and Joe our first Christian friends you've opened our eyes well we're off on the first relaxing trip of our lives oh yes all our other vacations have been spent working at the society's conventions and at the end of our trip we're gonna have a reunion with Marilyn and Tom we've never been so happy I think all those years serving a false organization I just thank God it's not too late to make amends spend the rest of our lives serving the Lord have a wonderful job good thank you happy friends have a great time thank you bunch of apostate you