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hey notaries Christian here with a new video and we've got to talk about signature by Mark recently I had a client who was unable to sign his name due to his medical condition luckily the state of California provides its notaries public a helpful solution for a situation such as this one in this occasion the signer is allowed to sign the document by Mark usually by making an X on the signature line however it's not as simple as it sounds and there are a few requirements to notarize a signature by mark first the person signing the document by mark has to go through the same identification process as any other signer remember in order to meet the state requirement for satisfactory evidence the signer must present proper ID when that is impossible to credible witnesses must be present to vouch for the signer all right so let's go let's go over the step by steps of a signature by mark the signers Markel must be witnessed by two people who sign their names as witnesses on the document the first witness writes the signers name next to the mark then signs his or her name as witness number one the second person signs as witness number two by signing the witnesses are only verifying that they saw the signer make a signature by mark that's it let's look at the example below Balam moon is a signer of this document we'll assume that he has a valid form of ID however since he's unable to sign his name balum makes a mark in this case he draws an X so as you can see Balaam was unable to write his name so he wrote an x um Hagan Juarez is acting as witness number one Hagin witnesses Balaam making the mark then he writes Balaam's name next to it so Hagin Mars wrote Balaam moon's name next to Balaam signature by mark Hagin then signs his own name as witness number one so Hagin comes over here and he writes his name or he signs it actually and under it he could go ahead and print witness number one because most likely this will not be written on whatever document you are doing this on so you will go ahead and print witness number one under the signature or Hagen could print that who doesn't matter just someone has to print witness number one under Hagen signature or the witness number one signature so Hagen witnesses belong making the mark then Hagen writes Balaam's name next to it Hagen then signs his own name as witness number one all right so Monica Gonzalez is also present during this process Monica signs her name as witness number two so Monica she signs her name and then she will print witness number two or you could print it for her doesn't matter just line someone prints witness number two all right and that is pretty much it that's all there is to it but now let's talk about the journal entry the next step is for the signer to make their signature by mark in the notary public journal this mark must be witnessed by someone who then writes the signers name in the journal and then signs his or her own name as witness witnesses aren't required to provide identification to the notary public unless they're also acting as credible witnesses this as soon as the person making the mark doesn't possess a valid form of ID so if you got lost basically what they're saying let me break it down they're saying that Hagen Mars and Monica Gonzalez do not have to show ID to the notary because they are only saying that they witnessed Balam sign with an ex so they'll go ahead and sign as witnesses but they do not have to provide ID the only time that two witnesses would have to provide ID would be if they were acting as credible witnesses and that only hat would happen if Balam did not have his identification with him at which point yeah they would have to vouch saying that they know who Balaam is and then you would write in their information on the book and they would sign your book but in this case that is not necessary because Belen did have his ID they are only signing the paper that they witnessed him signed by X and that's pretty much it however it says that it is in the state of California one witness does have to sign the note Journal and that is a witness that wrote in this case Valens name next to the signature by mark and that person could also write bilaam's name in the journal and they would just have to sign the notary journal as well what I what I do anyways is I've done it before I've taken both IDs town like I'll still write it in my journal entry I don't know why I'm I guess I'm just I just want to be 100% sure that you know it won't come back to haunt me and I don't think the Secretary of State would have an issue with that I would probably have to double-check with him though but that's the way I've been doing it I'll just take in this case I would have taken down Higgins information in my journal Monica's information in my journal anyways but that again that is not necessary you do not have to take their ID info down and then one more thing I just wanted to say one more one less thing and that is that sometimes the signature it might not they they may be unable to make an actual X sometimes it's just a squiggle or a line and that is also okay that would still be considered a signature by mark alright so that does it for this video guys if you guys have any questions just go ahead and leave them in the comment section below or you could always contact me directly at my email info at my notary class.com and also guys please don't forget to check out my novel dystopian Volume one it's in the video description so there's a link for it there so if you guys like to read check it out thanks guys you guys have a good one