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Thank You Angela and thanks everyone for this really fabulous conversation before I say anything myself I just want to support a number of things that all of you have said beginning with Jesse on you know making a very simple case for why is this important because what we see in the news media is misrepresentation lack of context and knowledge and if their way for us to create a space where people can tell their own stories because clearly we have demonstrated an inability to do it on the on the health of other communities but and then too obviously Nadia and Aeneas points on on changing the infrastructure and in changing the the culture of the people who are making decisions right now I think this is such a key point because even where there is in some newsrooms the capacity or the desire to make change some of it is timing because the people higher up on top don't understand or don't want to accept or are in denial about the real problems that exist and then to Bethlehem's point which i think is really at what this numerous times before you know there is the sense that you will get hired as a person of color or as a black person an indigenous person but don't question the way in which this story is being done the minute you start participating actively with a different way in which the story should be approached or framed you're shut down and I think that those things are you know certainly in ctoc thanks to Anita and Satya we're seeing a lot of those conversations happening right now people are talking about what it feels like to consistently be shut down when you have really powerful and important stories because the status quo doesn't see it or doesn't want to see it and then so so I'll stop with just saying one really quick thing it's really interesting to me that what is happening in the US has instigated a conversation in Canada you know as if we always need something to happen from outside from the US for it to resonate even though we had a TRC we had the Truth and Reconciliation Commission report and all those recommendations were in place in 2015 and not much happened so that's an interesting power dynamic that I think is important to to to establish and I think I'll just sort of follow that up with saying that there is a true resistance in Canada to address this question of equity because I think you have to process out from from out of the space of just media and media organizations because I think Canadian kids growing up in Canada grew up from day one fed on this kind of diet of multiculturalism and peacekeeping and I think you know this kind of noble ideas create the sense of you know superiority Canadians know it themselves they talk about multiculturalism in this way they travel overseas and people say well you're Canadian and you're so good in your soul you know and this this kind of culture gets kind of instilled in one sense of being which I think makes it a lot harder to have some of these conversations about what is actually the problem and why how we complicit in it so I do want to say that I'll place myself in this context and I'm an immigrant myself and a settler to this country and I'm deeply conscious of that location and I think I'm I'm also recognized that people are not always comfortable with new arrivals being critical of age-old practices but I do see some of the problems in in the landscape and I see it also through the eyes of my children who I see as going through the education system and I see what they are learning and I think you know we're talking about couvade and some of the challenges of covert the covert reality the one of the one of the bonuses or pluses has been that and I'm sure many other parents may feel this way that we are such we're more deeply exposed the curriculum our children are learning in school and I am seeing stuff on pioneer villages and pioneer communities that looks like it's been printed in 1973 or something I'm just my head that hasn't changed and so all of the accompanying curriculum on these really key issues so you know students are doing social science projects in grade four or five on indigenous communities pick a community what do people eat how do they live it looks like a nineteen eighty ninety eight anthropology of the peoples of Canada or something so you know the people who occupy positions of power in newsrooms they are all they've all gone through the same system right and everyone's built on the same foundation of knowledge and that part of the problem is it's not just Canadian media it is the whole system that is the problem and we have to go much deeper than just address hiring practices and that's one aspect of a much deeper and much more difficult problem to address so when I some of the work that I've done with my colleague so you have gone all over the place with this question Angela but I know Malika is one of my colleagues and she and I and Davide Maserati have been doing some work on looking and representation in Canadian media and Anita you mentioned that there isn't a really rich landscape of information and insight on what that looks like and we're not the first people to try that work this work has been done by four or five different groups of people over time but we decided why go to media organization let's just let's just look at what already exists in the public landscape so we decided to look at opinion writers at the three major Canadian national publications the global male National Post and the Toronto Star which is pretty much has that kind of national reach I think and we opinion economists so interesting because they use their own words to describe themselves so they self-identify without being asked to self-identify right I as a one white male I as a woman is a middle-aged person so they were really easy for us to pick out that information from their own language and words without having to go to media organizations but we were also recognizing that opinion is a really interesting space because you can see it's not journalism but the public doesn't necessarily always have a clear sense of what is opinion and what is journalism and I had an editorial organization you are giving real estate to certain people to expand their voices and expand their arguments and so there is a very strong editorial commitment I think in the creation of opinion space on for opinion so we looked at so based on our research what we saw was you know not at all surprising there hasn't been a single full-time indigenous columnist in Canada you know the three black male on this period of time and we know what happened so the the results speak for themselves what we wanted to do was make a case for the importance of doing this work because when you see the numbers you can see the problem and it's not as if this is going to resolve the problem entirely but I think it's a very important step and I think Nadia and you know would agree because there was one of the first I think it's the first call to action is it not as to I should start doing this work sorry I'm how much time do I have left so I okay okay so so I think I think the very important thing is it's it's it's when it comes to news it's not just who makes the decisions it's just as important whose byline is on right so this is a wholesale thing that we need to be looking at in a much more constructive way but I think the point is that having this kind of information or data gives us a place to start and that that place is is fundamental it's really important in the bit in the media landscape because you know if you recognize media this is speaking a little bit - Anita's point about civic responsibility it's it's also really important because the media is sees itself as a Fourth Estate and it may also explain why it's so reluctant there's very little organizations or sectors that have this kind of sense of a moral high horse that the media has because it has this power to look at others and to and to tell others what they're doing wrong or what they're doing right so the sense of power I think it's up a is often abused and I think that in in but it also sets up a really major problem because you look at media as a Fourth Estate but then the Fourth Estate itself is so deeply problematic it's not doing that hard work of analysing who is in its ranks and and how to address that problem how is that organization I'm going to report on the rest of society so you see there's a there's a fundamental structural problem with the with with it with the issue to begin with and so you know we keep throwing around these terms the Fourth Estate public interest and I think what we are seeing is that that the hidden burden of responding to this issue is consistently placed on the shoulders of either racialized journalists or you know organizations that have existed and I would love to hear Nadia talk a little bit about this because cg osseous is pretty new in this space but CABG has been around for a long time so I'm really interested in hearing about how that cultural reality has changed to respond to those and how how difficult the climb has been to get to here and this kind of just supports what Nadia was saying earlier which is none of this is terribly revolutionary you know the people have been trying to have this to talk about these these issues for a very very long time and I think there is a real power at this moment but I think it's really important to recognize the people who have been working for very long time - and quietly dealing with the micro and macro regressions that they've had to suffer with in the newsroom and then the last point I just want to make is that this is not just I mean I talked earlier about how it's a systemic deeper problem so this is not just about media organizations it's about the journalism schools that that send students out trained and and we need to join that work force it's also about high schools I think a lot of high schools that have newspapers or some form of like broadcasting where students get training tend to be in communities that are communities where you know are there's more privilege where there's more access and less representation of racialized communities and so what you have is is is the the young people who's who who have the capacity and ability to to participate in conversations that are of public interest that will move the pendulum on policy and those kinds of things and whose personal life experience speaks to that are not making their radio journalism school and it will and I think that's something we need to think about both at journalism schools like how do we reach out and develop more programs that will provide access and I think I think CEO BJ is is doing that in Halifax right now so I'll end with that I do want to talk at some other stage if there's an opportunity about new ways of doing journalism but back at you Angelo with this multitude of comments