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How do I file income tax return in India?
Greeting Friends !!!If you are going to file it yourself, then following is the procedure:-Before you start the process, keep your bank statements, Form 16 issued by your employer and a copy of last year's return at hand. Next, log on to http://incometaxindiaefiling.gov...Follow these steps:Step 1: Register yourself on the website. Your Permanent Account Number (PAN) will be your user ID.Step 2: View your tax credit statement — Form 26AS — for the financial year 2015–16 . The statement will reflect the taxes deducted by your employer actually deposited with the I-T department. The TDS as per your Form 16 must tally with the figures in Form 26AS. If you file the return despite discrepancies, if any, you could get a notice from the I-T department later.Step 3: Under the 'Download' menu, click on Income Tax Return Forms and choose AY 2016–17 (for financial year 2015–16 ). Download the Income Tax Return (ITR) form applicable to you.Which Income Tax Return Form Require to file or applicable F.Y. 2015–16 by Hetal M Kukadiya on Tax Knowledge Bank - IndiaStep 4: Open the downloaded Return Preparation Software (excel or Java utility) and complete the form by entering all the details , using your all documentsStep 5: Ascertain the tax payable by clicking the 'Calculate Tax' tab. Pay tax (if applicable) and enter the challan details in the tax return.Step 6: Confirm all the information in the worksheet by clicking the 'Validate' tab.Step 7: Proceed to generate an XML file and save it on your computer.Step 8: Go to 'Upload Return' on the portal's left panel and upload the saved XML file after selecting 'AY 2016-2017 ' and the relevant form. You will be asked whether you wish to digitally sign the file. If you have obtained a DS (digital signature), select Yes. Or, choose 'No'.Step 9: Once the website flashes the message about successful e-filing on your screen, you can consider the process to be complete. The acknowledgment form — ITR—Verification (ITR-V ) will be generated and you can download it.Step 10: you can Verify online with EVC Pin or Take a printout of the form ITR-V , sign it preferably in blue ink, and send it only by ordinary or Speed post to the Income-Tax Department-CPC , Post Bag No-1 , Electronic City Post Office, Bangalore - 560 100, Karnataka, within 120 days of filing your return online.Its Advisable to go with CA help for filling Tax return. There are lots of amendment come in every year, to file accurate return and Tax planning benefit etc so Prefer to go with expert like CA, Tax Preparer etc…Be Peaceful !!!
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What is it like for a foreigner living in Tallinn?
(I started to answer a very short answer and ended up with a long entry. I hope you find it useful.)As Richard Tuisk said, it depends a lot on where you are from. However, let me tell you what my experience has been so far in Estonia, what I think it is good and what I would see as a downside of living here. Of course, I need to qualify my answer by saying that I am Latin American, but also have lived in four other countries (including the US where I went to college).A quick introduction: Estonia is a small country located in the Baltic Sea next to Russia and Latvia and very close to Finland. It is part of the European Union. The area of the country is roughly the same as Switzerland or as Maryland and Massachussets combined. There is about 1.3 million people living here which means it is not densely populated. The country is essentially flat, except in the south where you find the highest point at 318 meters (1043 ft). The main city and where I live in is Tallinn. The population is about 400,000 people. Tartu is the second city with about 100,000 people and all the rest of towns are smaller than that.Immigration systemIf you are European, moving here is no problem as you enjoy all the benefits of any country within the European Union. If you are not European, the main reasons people immigrate here is to work which would guarantee a working visa or if you are married to an Estonian citizen which allows you to apply for a visa as long as you have enough funds to live here.Overall, the process to get a short-term visa is straight forward. Obtaining a long-term visa is more complicated as you have to speak the language at a relatively high level. Obtaining a citizenship requires that you give up your own citizenship.JobsAlthough Estonia suffered also during the 2008 crisis, there is enough jobs in areas of business and technology for people to move here. One of the problems Estonia faces is that it does not have enough people to fill all jobs in IT areas as I hear.There is a few big companies who recruit people from abroad, but if you don't speak the local language, your opportunities are reduced to the IT area (I work for Skype which originated here in Estonia which was acquired by Microsoft in 2011). You can see a list of notable companies here: List of companies of EstoniaSocial interactionEstonians tend to be reserved in comparison to other Europeans. I suggest to foreigners who come here to be aware of differences so they are not taken by surprise. Some examples of faux pas I have encountered:Using smalltalk in a conversation.Saying good morning when coming to office or good bye when leaving.Smiling with no reason (I have to accept that this could be awkward in Northern Europe and some parts of the US, but it is totally normal in Mediterranean or Latin American environments).Being noisy. People love their quiet here.However, it is totally Ok to try to make a conversation in English especially with young people. I am learning Estonian and try to use the language when I can, but in some occasions (say, at the pharmacy), I need to switch to English and have never found anyone being annoyed by that.The exception to all of this is if you meet young people. They tend to be more open and curious (especially women). I am speaking about more casual environments such as a cafe or a restaurant, but a bit less at work. Another obvious exception is if you are in a touristy area (such as the Old Town in Tallinn), but this should go without saying.It is totally Ok to be in a group of people and be totally silent. For example, you can have lunch or share a cab with Estonians when no one is speaking, but there is no awkwardness on it. Another thing is that people do not demonstrate much through their expressions which is one of the difficult things to deal with for me. Remember, I come from a country where you smile or frown or show your teeth if you want someone to understand you clearly.When having a conversation with an Estonian, you should say what you mean and mean what you say (remember what I said about smalltalk?). For example, if you ask "how are you?" to an Estonian, do it only if (a) you really want to know how the other person is, and (b) don't ask it if you don't know the person well. I value that Estonians take your word at face value and you should do the same with them.One word of advice is that Estonians can be very critical of others, but they are mainly critical of themselves. Someone told me once that complaining is a national sport, and I have to agree with that. In other words, when they tell you that something is truly bad here in this country, you have to take it with a grain of salt.Because of this, you should also expect that people are straight forward with you. In some cases, this borders on rudeness if I measure by my home country's standards, but here is totally Ok. I have seen a few foreigners getting shocked by that, but you get used to it. In other words, they are not politically correct (this I like very much).Also, because people are economical with the language, you shouldn't expect what I would call, a "warm" communication most of the time. As a latin person, I need to say and hear things on a beautiful way, but this doesn't happen here much. It is different when you start to get to know locals.Which brings me to the last point. It takes a while before you break the ice with an Estonian, but it is worth waiting. I have had the chance to establish a closer link with some locals outside my wife's family and I find an honesty and sincerity that I haven't seen in other places. If you get to that point, congratulations, as you have made it through this journey. By this time, you should also be an expert on sharing saunas with people you don't know (and yes, naked) and have had your share of vodka.Quality of life, services, infrastructureWhen compared to other places where I have lived, I have to say that Estonia still doesn't signNow the level of living in Germany or the US, but it is getting closer by the day. However, I would say that Estonia is already at the level that I would call it first-world country in most aspects.Infrastructure and services need some improvement, but they provide the minimum level of service. For example, if you don't have a car, you can use public transportation everywhere even if buses, trains or trams are sometimes old. Roads in Tallinn are Ok, even if you find potholes in some places. Services such as schools and hospitals are public which means that there is always a waiting list. If you need to visit a specialist doctor, you have to wait. On the other hand, the wait is not as bad as in third-world countries (like where I come from). Also, those services are basically free. The downside is that there is almost no private service, and even the ones there are rely partially on the public health system for some aspects.I have had two children born here and had no complaints about the process. In fact, I felt that everything was very professional and that they always try to do their best. However, when I spoke with Estonians, some of them were very surprised that I spoke highly of the hospital system. I guess it's up to my personal point of view in this case.Taxes are low. Personal income tax is 21% flat for everyone. If you live here and your visa allows it, you can create your own start-up in no time which is prevalent among young people in IT.By the way, unemployment was at 8% at the end of Q3 in 2013. I am no economist, but I understand that this is still considered high. However, it came down from 10.2% at the end of 2012.Food, shoppingEstonia has the typical supermarkets like any other European country. There is also local markets, but you probably need to speak Estonian or Russian. Typical food you find are potatoes, wheat-like grains, oats and so on. Pork meat and fish are eaten often here, but beef is not yet too common. Vegetables and fruits tend to be expensive. I miss having international food though. There is one supermarket in town (Stockmann) that carries some international products, but it is very expensive. I was used to visiting Oriental-type shops in Ireland and Germany, but there is none here that I know of.There is a few shopping centres, but the variety is not wide. I am in favor of buying local to support businesses here, but in many cases, we end up buying from abroad because of the lack of options or because we would have to wait for too long. For example, my wife and I love movies (yeah, still buying old-fashioned DVDs), but there is no shop that fills our expectations. Because of that, we buy everything from Amazon.ActivitiesIf you love nature, you are in luck. There is a lot of natural areas in the country and they are a short drive away. There is plenty of sea shores, forests, rivers and lakes. In the Summer you can do hiking, camping, canoeing and you can add cross country skiing in the Winter. Estonians love nature in general.If you are a city person (like myself), then that's another story. There is a few theatres, cinemas, galleries and so on, but everything is limited. Tallinn itself has the most interesting activities in the center. There is plenty of good restaurants though.Cinemas show the popular movies like everywhere else and you can find some artsy type of cinemas for alternative movies. No movie is dubbed here, but they usually carry subtitles in both Estonian and Russian.What is impressive about this countryThere is a few good things that I haven't seen outside Estonia. The first one is the electronic system prevalent in this country. When you are a foreigner and get your Estonian ID, you are also getting your electronic identity. With that, you can file taxes online, access information about property, bank accounts, mobiles, whatever services you need. When you get your local ID number, you automatically get a local e-mail address at the eesti.ee domain that you can redirect to your personal account. With that, you never miss an official communication (such as whenever is time to file your taxes).That ID has also legal validity and you can sign documents electronically anywhere in the world. For example, if you apply to get a car leasing, you don't have to show up at the bank necessarily. They send you some forms, you put your ID card in your computer reader, sign the document electronically, and send it back and that's it. It is the equivalent of putting your signature on paper in front of the bank official or lawyer. Estonian citizens and permanent residents are even allowed to vote online with their ID.A second impressive area is bureaucracy: it is a well-oiled machine. One recurrent example is taxes. You get the notification that your taxes are ready to file, you login to the tax office site, sign in, check that they have the correct information that they have collected from your company, employer and so on, sign with your ID card, and that's it. It might take as little as five minutes. My wife and I file jointly, so it takes us much longer: twenty minutes (and that's because we always forget to do one crucial step so we are delayed).The government doesn't even use paper for their minister meetings. They file everything electronically which is made available so you can follow up agendas, minutes and whatever happens there.You want to open your own company? It might take literally twenty minutes to do that too. All of this thanks to the frictionless bureaucratic system they have here. You want to park? Send a text to the number 1902 with your plate number and where you are parking and it will be charged to your mobile.One more impressive part: internet. Besides having decent speeds, there is practically free access points everywhere through the country. I personally have witnessed free available working access points in national parks and public beaches. You can read this article that talks about this (read the date: 2005!): Estonia sets shining Wi-Fi exampleIn my case, I don't use access points much because I have a decent LTE connection with my mobile. Mobile companies have good coverage and relatively good service. I remember that when we got our internet when we moved here, it took only one day to install it. When I measured the effective speed a few months later out of curiosity, it was 50 Mbps. Not bad.The downsidesAs anywhere else, there is a few things that you need to be aware of that could be difficult to adapt to.The first part for me is the social interaction which tends to be dry and quiet. I mentioned that above, so not much more to say here.Another one is the weather. In Winter, the sun might rise at 9:30 in the morning and set at 3 in the afternoon. That's just about six hours of sunlight. If you add that it is cloudy most of the time during the Winter, then you realise how dark it might be. As counterposition, Summers are amazing (up to 20 hours of sunlight and clear skies easily).Winters are relatively long. It gets cold around the end of October and stays that way until around April. It varies from year to year, but sometimes the temperature drops to -30 degrees Celsius (-22 F). Life rarely stops here because of the cold or snow though. I have taken the bus at -30 degrees Celsius. It makes for an interesting ride.One more problem for a foreigner to live here is that you feel a bit isolated from the world. Flights are available mainly to neighbouring countries plus Germany, UK and the Netherlands. If you are from another country, you always need to make connections which makes it longer and more expensive to go back home.Last, if you are from a big city, you might find even Tallinn a bit provincial. It is changing as of late though. On the other hand, there is some positive things out of this too: less crime and virtually no traffic jam as I know it (I live 20 km. from work and make it in 30 minutes on a good day and 45 on a bad one).If you are thinking to move here, I definitely recommend this place.
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I have lost my RC book. Who can get me a duplicate RC book in Bangalore, Indiranagar RTO?
I applied today(25 April 2017) for a duplicate RC smart card in Koramangala RTO. There are a few changes in process from those mentioned in other answers. So, i thought I will write up the updated process.Step 1: File a police report onlineGo to http://bcp.gov.in/ and click on ‘Lost and found’ and register the lost report for your RC. Make sure you read the FAQ page on the website. It is very informative.There is no need to go to the police station. My online police report was accepted by the Koramangala RTO.Step 2: Get a B-extract from a Bangalore One centre.Visit any Bangalore one centre ...
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Can I register an LLP by myself?
- it would be recommended to do registration with professional help, because its needed a professional and during the filing of Documents and Forms its authorized by a Chartered Accountant/Company Secretary/Cost Accountant DSC so you can understand Signature value and Risk of CA/CS/CMA.Following is the procedure to register1) Process Involved in LLP ?Step 1- Apply for your Partners DINStep 2- Apply for your Partners DSCStep 3- Application to Government for Name Availability of the proposed LLPStep 4- Verification of Documents and Forms by Government.Step 5- Filing of Incorporation Documents and Forms by Government.Step 6- Certificate of IncorporationStep 7- Drafting of LLP AgreementStep 8- Filing of LLP Agreement e) Time take to incorporate a LLP ?Ans- A Limited Liability Partnership Completed in 14-20 days. The time taken for incorporation will depend on submission of relevant documents by the client and speed of Government Approvals. To ensure speedy incorporation, please choose a unique name for your LLP and ensure you have all the required documents prior to starting the incorporation process. f) Initial Documents Required ?Ans- For all Partners required DocumentsID Proof and Address Proof for all Partners.PAN Card Mandatorylatest utility bill (electric bill/telephone bill) for the property to be used for registered office (not older than 2 months)latest tax receipt/ownership deep of the property (not older than 2 monthsG) Government Charges and other legal expense for Incorporate LLP ?Director Partner Identification Number ( DPIN/DIN)- Costing for DIN 1000 Rupees on 2 Partners. its valid for Lifetime.Its just like UserId for the Partner.Digital Signature (DSC)– Costing vary from 2000 Rupees on 2 Partners. Its made by Sify, Emudra and some other companies and used for signing and filing forms during registrationApplication for Name Reservation- Costing is 500 Rupees. Its filed for reserve your LLP Name.Government Charges including Stamp Duty Costing around 750 Rupees.Preparing LLP Agreement by professional costing around 250 Rupees.Preparing LLP Partner Consent by Professional costing around 250 Rupees.Total Government Expenses around 4750 rupees to 5000 Rupees.H) Professional Charges which take by Professionals(CA/CS/CWA) in Market ?Ans- Professional Charges to Incorporate a LLP In India is from 4000 to 6000 Rupees & more.Any help regarding this, visit us at Wazzeer - Smart Platform for Legal, Accounting & Compliance services.Also read:Why Private Limited Companies convert into LLP?
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How do I file my income tax myself?
Greeting Friends !!!If you are going to file it yourself, then following is the procedure:-Before you start the process, keep your bank statements, Form 16 issued by your employer and a copy of last year's return at hand. Next, log on to http://incometaxindiaefiling.gov...Follow these steps:Step 1: Register yourself on the website. Your Permanent Account Number (PAN) will be your user ID.Step 2: View your tax credit statement — Form 26AS — for the financial year 2015–16 . The statement will reflect the taxes deducted by your employer actually deposited with the I-T department. The TDS as per your Form 16 must tally with the figures in Form 26AS. If you file the return despite discrepancies, if any, you could get a notice from the I-T department later.Step 3: Under the 'Download' menu, click on Income Tax Return Forms and choose AY 2018–19 (for financial year 2017–18 ). Download the Income Tax Return (ITR) form applicable to you.Step 4: Open the downloaded Return Preparation Software (excel or Java utility) and complete the form by entering all the details , using your all documentsStep 5: Ascertain the tax payable by clicking the 'Calculate Tax' tab. Pay tax (if applicable) and enter the challan details in the tax return.Step 6: Confirm all the information in the worksheet by clicking the 'Validate' tab.Step 7: Proceed to generate an XML file and save it on your computer.Step 8: Go to 'Upload Return' on the portal's left panel and upload the saved XML file after selecting 'AY 2018-2019 ' and the relevant form. You will be asked whether you wish to digitally sign the file. If you have obtained a DS (digital signature), select Yes. Or, choose 'No'.Step 9: Once the website flashes the message about successful e-filing on your screen, you can consider the process to be complete. The acknowledgment form — ITR—Verification (ITR-V ) will be generated and you can download it.Step 10: you can Verify online with EVC Pin or Take a printout of the form ITR-V , sign it preferably in blue ink, and send it only by ordinary or Speed post to the Income-Tax Department-CPC , Post Bag No-1 , Electronic City Post Office, Bangalore - 560 100, Karnataka, within 120 days of filing your return online.Its Advisable to go with CA help for filling Tax return. There are lots of amendment come in every year, to file accurate return and Tax planning benefit etc so Prefer to go with expert like CA, Tax Preparer etc…Be Peaceful !!!
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How do I get a single status certificate from India?
ok i wanted to apply for single status certificate and every one was wierd with their answers so here is the detail about how i got mine.STEP 1 - you have to get a notary document from any notary shop nearby and add these points,a) you are a citizen of india with passport number and your parents name and your residence addressb)mention that you are single and free to marry either in india or outside the borders and you can mention your date of birth that is necessary too.step 2 - go to the SDM office of your area and get the SDM stamp on the document, dont get tehsildar or executive magistrate or assistant of sdm sign on it because it wont be used or approved by the MEA(ministry of external affairs). it will take your day or 2 because these sdm mostly never at there office and the assistant or employees of government wanna give you a run around so they will just push you away. NOBODY IN THE GOVT OFFICE EVEN KNOW ABOUT THIS SO BE READY TO DEAL WITH UNEDUCATED AND UNETHICAL PEOPLE OF ERA WHO WILL WASTE YOUR TIME JUST FOR A STAMP. if they ask you how could i believe you that you are single then you need to show them a decleration from your parents that you are free to marry ( it is not necessary according to the law.step 3 - Google apostile services nearby and go to the company who does apostile and give them the sdm stamped notary document. this is the easiest one you will get it in a day. as MEA dont take docs personally so you have to go through a company. they cost around 75 rs to get everything done. dont get in the trap of people who say its for 4k or 7k rs coz it just cost 100rs not more than that. when i was outside india i signNowed out to these companies they said almost 7k-24k to get everything done. as well you can write a letter of authorisation to authorise your brother or family member to do everything for you if you are outside india.
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What are ROC return filing fees and ROC filing procedures?
Every company registered in India under the companies Act 2013 is required to make certain ROC filings within the due time. Registrar of Companies is the designated authority under the ministry of corporate affairs to deal with the companies compliances registered under the Companies Act 2013. In these filing the companies are required to file various forms, returns and documents with the registrar of companies in an electronic mode within the due date. There are in total three forms namely the ADT-1 (Appointment of auditor), MGT-7 (Annual return) and the AOC-4 (Financial statements, Balance Sheet and the profit and loss account) that are required to filed with the registrar of companies within the due time. In order to file the make the ROC Annual filings the applicant is required below mentioned procedure-1. A board meeting must be conducted in order to authorize the auditor for preparing the financial statements and to authorize the director or company secretary for the preparation of board report and the annual return.2. Further, one more board meeting must be conducted to approve the draft of financial statements, Boards reports and annual returns by the director of company.3. Conduct the Annual General meeting of the Company and pass the necessary resolutions. Please note that the financial statements are considered final only when the same is approved by the shareholders at the General Meeting.4. Finally an annual general meeting must be conducted in order to approve the financial statements and make them final. Once the financial statements are finalized the same shall be filed with the ROC through the MCA website. Following are the steps involved in the process of filing returns-· First of all the electronic forms to be filled must be downloaded including the AOC-4, MGT-7 and the ADT -1 from the MCA website. The forms can be downloaded by going to the MCA services menu then to E-filing and finally the Company Forms Download.· Further the required details in the form must be filled and the PDF or XML documents as per the requirement of the form must be attached. To complete the form it should be checked and the Digital Signature of the Director and Practicing professional must be attached. Now do pre-scrutiny.· To submit the form the applicant is required to get himself registered on MCA portal as a Business User or registered user. After getting registered on the portal, login with your ID and password.· After a successful login he can upload the E-forms. Once the forms are uploaded successfully the payment window will be generated. Your ROC compliances are filled once this procedure is complete.The government fee for filing these ROC filing for the Company having Authorized Capital of Rs. 1 lac is Rs. 300 for each Form AOC-4 and MGT-7 and Company having Authorized Capital of Rs 5 Lac or more is Rs. 400 for each Form. Apart from there is a professional fee that is required to be paid by the applicant.
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What are ways we can improve gun laws that benefit both sides that want them or want safety?
For me it really comes down to this. There are a lot of gun laws on the books right now as it is. These gun laws have varying degrees of success. Some I don’t like but can live with, but other just plain aggravate me.To speak of where I currently call home, New York boasts some of the “toughest gun laws in the country”. Most importantly is their so-called “assault weapons” ban. It is an insane law in that I can own an AR-15, minus a few evil features. But the actual gun, the so-called “assault weapon” is entirely legal. The law is entirely ineffective as well. They imposed a ten round magazine limit, thinking this does anything, yet the Parkland shooter used 10 round mags quite effectively to carry out his heinous act. It clearly isn’t effective.What do we measure effectiveness by? For me, it is statistics. According to the FBI, there were 628 murders in New York state in 2016, 367 of these with guns. That leaves us with a per capita gun homicide rate of 1.86 per 100,000 people. New Jersey, with similarly strict gun laws has a whopping rate of 3.1 per 100,000 people. Go north to Vermont, where the gun laws were lax in 2016, that rate drops to 0.9 gun homicides per 100,000. Next door in New Hampshire has a rate of 0.6 per 100,000 people, and they have VERY lax gun laws. Head south to Massachusetts, with its tough gun laws, and that number jumps back up to 1.25 per 100,000 people. So let’s break that down, NH vs NY, in 2016 there were 16 murders in the entire state of New Hampshire, 8 of those with guns. In just the city of Syracuse NY in that same year there were 31 murders, from a quick count 19 of those were by gun. So much for those tough gun laws, but breaking down the statistics you are 3x more likely to die by gun in NY than NH (0.6 vs 1.8/100,000 people). It is simply the fact stated bluntly.9 of 16 killings solved in 2016 | New HampshireMeet the 30 homicide victims killed in Syracuse in 2016, the city's deadliest yearTable 12So now let’s get to the crux of the argument I am making here. Its quite clear from the data that the supposed “toughnes” of gun laws don’t effect crime. Some lax states have high gun homicide rates, some very low (NH is the lowest, BTW). Anti-gun groups like Giffords would have you believe in graphs like this:Reality is the data, using the same grades they give states for gun control level, looks more like this:With no statistical significance between any of those groups. Perhaps the discrepancy lies with inclusion of some other criteria, probably suicides or perhaps it also includes people shot but not killed. I’m not sure and would love to pour through their data myself, but they don’t publish it.Likely stronger determinants of gun crime are population density and poverty level of the region/state in question. Thus, most gun laws in the state of NY, as an example, are nothing but feel good legislation with no actual effectiveness on crime, they don’t tackle the root causes of why people commit crime (chiefly poverty). Thus it doesn’t make sense that a state like NY with tough handgun laws has a handgun homicide rate of 1.5 while a state like New Mexico, with incredibly lax handgun laws, has a handgun homicide rate of 0.6/100,000.So getting back to the question at hand. If you want to start talking about what legislation we need, let’s also talk about legislation you don’t need. It shouldn’t take you 6 months to go through the permitting process in NY to get a handgun when it clearly isn’t helping. And in NY I should be able to concealed carry (they make it virtually impossible here). Then maybe I’ll sit down and talk with you about Extreme Risk Protection Orders. Let’s remove the absolutely laughable concept of magazine limits, and then I’ll sit down and discuss the merits of a bump stock ban. And that’s not even touching on the subject of federal laws, such as 922r compliance (aka the “sporting purposes” clause; protip - the 2nd amendment isn’t about sports).So to summarize keep pushing for more laws when the ones we have are infringing on our rights and not keeping us safe, and what you will end up with is simply a pushback from us. If instead you want to come to the table and comprise, scratch our back and maybe we’ll scratch yours. We’ll see.
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